저는 육을 다분히 무시하며 죄악시 혹은 부정적으로 생각하는 것이 기저의식에 깔려 있었던 것 같습니다.Saturday, May 10, 2025

저는 육을 다분히 무시하며 죄악시 혹은 부정적으로 생각하는 것이 기저의식에 깔려 있었던 것 같습니다.

Saturday, May 10, 2025

1:58 AM

이 전 포스팅에 레오와의 대화에서

제가 생각하는 이상이란 것이 현실을 수용하지 못할 때 꼭 효용성이 높은 현실의 논리가 부도덕화 될 필요가 있는지 한번 생각해봐야 된다는 얘기와 그리고 이상이 너무 경직되어 있다면 참다운 이상인지 자체에 대해 생각을 해볼 필요가 있다는 얘기였습니다.

 

 

사람이 육도 정신과 의식도 그리고 영도 제대로 인식 인정하여야 하는 것 같습니다.

 

 

전 육체를 나름 무시하고 죄악시한 경향이 있었고

제가 가진 이상이란 어떤 비육체적인 정신적 고귀함이었던 것 같습니다.

 

어제 이상에 대해 생각을 해보니

제가 육을 배제하고 애써 무시해온 이상들이라는 것을 깨닫습니다.

 

참 범하기 쉬운 이상주의인데요

Anatomy and physiology처럼 기능과 신체의 structure 즉 구조물은 같이 가는 것이라는 것을 깨달아야 할 것 같습니다.

 

Leo, I think my ideal excluded the physical and I had a kind of angst and negative mentality towards the physical.

Yoo Gin.

 

It necessarily follows that your mental state was seeking a high standard above the 부정적인 merits of the physical. In other words, you sought to transcend the physical. But if you ignore and dismiss the physical while doing so, you could incur great damage in your mind.

You don't love yourself or your body.

You don't truly appreciate your body needs

And you don't appreciate the fact that the body contains the spirit that you so revere and make good sense of.

And also you don't work on your physical needs and love it as it should also be loved.

There is one more thing.

You don't love the fact that life is based on physicality rather than spirituality because you don't see the spirit but the physical you can do something about.

But if you don't affect the spirit through your body you hit a vague note that is not real.

True some aspects of the reality come from the spirit and you mentalize what you get from it and however it functions but it is beyond our control.

We deal with the body to get the desired effects and that is not always the ideal of how you should treat a human or nature so we could and should work on it.

However you don't love a body then you don't love anything that has substantial impact on how we think or spiritualize.

Does this make sense?

Leo.

 

 

 

Do you think body holds any kind of ideals other than the fact that it can be beauty or the shape can be alluring or it is made to fulfill the life needs of a being or life? I don't think we should idealize a physical body.

Yoo Gin.

 

 

But the virtue it upholds. The principle it maintains. The life it preserves. Wouldn't it be worth some merit?

Leo.

 

 

When you say God created humans, would it be the physical in main? And the breath of God, He imbued life and truths into it….a spirit. You mean the function of a physical body is physicality's main?

Yoo Gin.

 

No. Physical can be art. It can produce an effect that is eternal.

Leo.

 

 

If a spiritual things goes against physicality that it can't be good?

Yoo Gin.

 

No. but a spiritual thing don't go far without something material. God made it that way. But Leo thinks life is usual in the fact that the physical matters more than the spirit and that is not so right. Spirit is the highest ideal in terms or factual morality and if factual morality don't assimilate physicality then it becomes evil.

Leo.

 

Because it kills? Kills life?

Yoo Gin

 

Think a little more.

Leo.

 

 

 

Because it has no basis in reality….or the world that God has created?

Yoo Gin.

 

No. because spirituality basely thinks it good and not humble. Because life is about factual humility about the needs it holds. Because life is holding a life that means much more than a world of niceties that makes up a high ideal.

It's a devil's play at best because it negates the world God made.

So what seems good may not always be God's will unless testified and worked through the nature of physicality and its basic and merited principles.

So life does not mean you love the ideal high thoughts and embrace love without the physical or tending to it but love means taking care and profounding the works of the physical.

In other words, physical is an art that must be tempered not depreciated.

Leo.

 

 

 

I think a woman may easily idealize life and world while men mostly be physical based….

But woman is a helper which means the base of all love is not spiritual but physical and the spiritual aids or guides the physical or spiritual must be guided mainly by the physical….

Yoo Gin.

 

 

Don't think that woman are always not physical and men are always physical. That is true but also not true. You think on that. You tend to divide the two in simple unmeritous ways. But I do say the spirit is the base of life no but physical is the base of life.

It makes for a beauty that transcends the time.

But spiritual always must be steadfast.

Leo.

 

 

 

Then if I make more of the spirit than the physical then that is evil?

Yoo Gin.

 

No. you touch base with reality with the physical. If you idealize without it then you don't idealize anything but abstract nothings….you idealize what physicality could attain not fly off away from anything physical.

 

I think you didn't want to be yourself. So you always idealized facts that were above you. But if you don't have yourself then what can you work for?

Think about that, you gin.

You don't work for anything but something that is not real.

 

This whole voice matter derives from that. You keep making voices something highly ideal and just denigrate your physical and your own self.

But life is based on you, yourself and the principles of your own self.

That is where the devil plays.

It gives  you something the voices ideals that you shouldn't make real but you treat it so mandatorily.

Voices should be taken for the fact that it is love that you seek and it craves it but if it's not you then it's the devil.

But do the voices lead you to God? It could. Some of its mandates not transcends but acknowledges the factual facts about your being physical and spiritual and that is realizing the reality and facing it not transcending and making a wall of infatuation with something unreal beautiful and idealistic.

You ought to feel life is not hope without a factual standard but material substance on which life is built on.

Leo.

 

 

육체가 현실의 기반이라는 것과 육체는 정신에 의해 길들여져야 하는 것이지만 육체를 간과한 정신이란 참으로 악일 수 있다는 얘길 했습니다.

육이야 말로 예술이 될 수 있고 시간을 초월하는 무언가로 만들어질 수 있는 것이며

정신이야 무언가 지속적인 시대를 초월한 변하지 않는 성질인 것 즉 육을 형성할 수 있는 것임을 일 수 있음에 대해 얘기해보앗습니다.

여자가 꼭 이상적이고 남자가 육체적이라는 것은 좀 생각이 덜 된 이분법이라는 것과

육이 없는 이상이란 아무런 기반이 없는 허황됨만 부추기는, 실체가 될 수 없는 잘못된 것이라는 것을 생각해보았습니다.